Setting 'time grid start' and 'time grid end' should not hide appointments
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Zac
The time grid start/end preferences are great, since we generally work from about 9 to 5 hours, so having a 24-hour view of every day is kind of silly. HOWEVER, setting the 'start' to 9 and the 'end' to 5 should not completely hide anything outside of that 9-5 window! Instead, the displayed view should scale to 9-5 but... much like Apple Calendar... I should be able to scroll earlier/later in the day. It would be nice if there was some indication (again, like Apple Calendar) if there was a meeting scheduled outside of the currently displayed schedule (Apple does it with a small "slice" at the top/bottom of the day, showing you there is something beyond the current view).
Danny Hatcher
Merged in a post:
Events "after hours" are COMPLETELY HIDDEN in calendar view
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Zac
Morgen routinely HIDES events that are outside of normal working / calendar hours. Steps to reproduce:
- Set your visible time grid from 9am - 5pm
- Create an event scheduled for 7am (1 hour duration)
- Create an event scheduled for 6pm (1 hour duration)
Expected result:
- I should see a visual indication that there are events before/after the currently visible time grid (example: Apple Calendar does a nice job of this)
- I should be able to scroll my default view (grid) to see before/after hours events
- Morgen should make it obvious that there are important events outside of the normal grid view so I don't miss something CRITICAL :( :(
Actual result:
- Morgen shows absolutely NO INDICATION that there are events scheduled earlier/later than my start/end grid preference
- Unless I view a 24-hour calendar, I'll miss events
Other notes:
- It's very easy in Morgen to accidentally schedule something for 4am instead of 4pm; when this happens, the event vanishes from my view... which is bad.
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Zac
As this is an INCREDIBLY SERIOUS bug / limitation, and effectively means I cannot rely on Morgen to manage my schedule, I put together a few screenshots to show the problem. See attached, screenshots 1, 2, and 3.
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Danny Hatcher added some screenshots to clarify show serious the problem is. It's actually EVEN WORSE because in Morgen, there is absolutely no way to access the hidden event. So even if I know it's there, I can't open it up, I can't change it (reschedule for instance), if it's a meeting early in the morning I can't click it to get the zoom link. Totally non-functional, which is why I'm still using Apple Calendar instead of Morgen...
Danny Hatcher
Zac: I am sorry for the frustration. I am curious about your workflow.
Why do you hide times of the day you could have meetings on?
I change the time display resolution to zoom in and out using the shortcuts [ and ].
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Zac
Danny Hatcher Part 1 of 2:
95% of the time my workday is from 10-5 so that's what I tend to look at. [ and ] don't offer fine control. (Why don't you just support "pinch to zoom" for pixel-by-pixel zooming?) Also, when zoomed, anything outside the current view is completely hidden.
But for legibility, it makes good sense to have a nicely fit, default view that covers about 9am to 6pm for me. I have my default grid set there. Occasionally I zoom in more but like I said, I don't like the [ and ] behavior. I prefer to see my whole day in one glance.
Unfortunately (unlike Apple Calendar), Morgen is terrible when it comes to something outside the current grid view.
That applies to zoomed or default grid view. To Morgen, if it’s outside your current view, it doesn’t exist.
So even if I use a 24-hour grid, and [ ] to zoom in... it won't help much. If there is something outside my view, there is no indication.What this means is, unless I proactively zoom out (or scroll) to check, I can miss something important.
Apple Calendar handles this in two ways: first, if there's a meeting outside the current view, it adds a little “edge marker,” sort of the edge of a meeting card, right at the border of the current view. This gives me a clear indicator there is something outside my view I should scroll (or zoom) to see. Second, while it allows me to set my view to, say, an 8 hour vertical scale, it does not constrain that view. I can still scroll outside the 8 hour window – unlike Morgen, which considers the 8 hour window absolute and won't let me scroll. (These are standard Apple design guidelines, by the way; they fall under the “never hide information” principle).
I uploaded some pictures that illustrate this previously.
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Part 2 of 2:
You asked about my workflow. It would be this:
- Adjust my Morgen desktop view so that it's comfortable. I like something that shows me roughly 8-6 during the day, because it is very rare to have something outside these times.
- However, knowing that Morgen hides information, I don't trust it to show me my actual schedule. Therefore: I use Apple Calendar throughout the day for most activity.
- But occasionally, I may forget, and rely on what Morgen is showing me. Since it hides information "outside the current view," I may miss a meeting that someone booked at a weird time. (That happened today; someone booked 6am... I eventually would have noticed, when I went back to Apple Calendar, but I didn't right away... and so, the meeting came and went because... no visual indicator in Morgen).
Apple Calendar is so much easier to use for viewing my schedule versus Morgen. First of all, I can always scroll vertically to see outside my current view. Second, those little "edge markers" that give me a clear indicator, "there's something here" I should look at. Third, all scrolling/zooming is pixel-by-pixel, which makes it so easy to scroll up just a little bit, or scroll left or right to adjust my view. I don't have to contend with picking a constrained 5 day view, and "leaping" forward a whole week, or hitting ] and jumping so far in I have to reframe by view. It's just much easier and more intuitive to use.
Hence – I rely on Apple Calendar to view and work with my schedule. 90% of the time. Except when I forget, and rely on Morgen... until it bites me again, and I remember... Morgen is
not good at showing me everything I need to be aware of.
Then I go back to Apple Calendar for my day-to-day.I hope that helped express my "daily workflow." It's not an ideal one. 🤣 My relationship with Morgen is a bit of love/hate. I like what it does well, but the user interface is
definitely
lacking in some ways, which is why I use Calendar also. I'd prefer to use Morgen exclusively – but, it's not as intuitive or as informative when it comes to viewing my schedule...Danny Hatcher
Zac: So I am not misunderstanding.
You don't want to zoom in or out of your calendar and don't want to scroll up or down on your calendar at all.
You only want to see your work day hours and nothing more, with some notification of tasks or events outside of those work hours.
Is that correct?
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Zac
Danny Hatcher No, I absolutely
do
want to scroll. Right now Morgen does not
let me scroll, that's the source of the whole problem. And, yes, I do want to scale my view to my typical workday, but see "hints" about events outside the view. (See my original posts and the example screenshots).Here's exactly what I'd like, stated concisely:
Note that here I use the word "event" to mean anything on my calendar, an event, task, etc.
- If an event is outside my current view, Morgen should show the edge of its event card at the border of my current view, "hinting" that there is something outside the current view. (See image of Apple Calendar for an example). MUST HAVE.
- No matter what my zoom level or current "grid" settings, I can alwaysscroll vertically, allowing me to scroll the full range of 00:00 to 23:59. (See attached image of Apple Calendar that shows this; try it in Apple Calendar, set a day start/end of 9-5, then use two fingers to "swipe" up or down; notice how no matter your zoom level, you can always scroll from 00:00 to 23:59).MUST HAVE.
- Change the "grid view" so that it defines a default view (such as 9am-5pm) and scales my visible area to fit that time window... but does not prevent vertical scrolling.(Try this in Apple Calendar: set the "day start/end" to 9am/5pm, and notice the view scales to show 9am to 5pm...butyou canstill scroll verticallyfrom 00:00 to 23:59).MUST HAVE.
- Support horizontally scrolling using a "swipe" (or mouse) action one day at a time. This allows me to have (for example) a 4 or 5 day view, but slide left and right pixel-by-pixel to shift my view a day at a time. This helps with planning, so I can see one more day (versus jumping forward 5 days). (Try this out in Apple Calendar, use two fingers to "swipe" left or right, notice the pixel-by-pixel scrolling). NICE TO HAVE.
- I should be able to "pinch" to zoom in or out pixel-by-pixel, smoothly, giving me more options than the coarse-grained [ and ] for zooming. NICE TO HAVE.
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Zac
As this is an INCREDIBLY SERIOUS bug / limitation, and effectively means I cannot rely on Morgen to manage my schedule, I put together a few screenshots to show the problem. See attached, screenshots 1, 2, and 3.
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Zac
Realized I reported this a second time.
This is a critical flaw - a nasty bug in Morgen - can't believe it's still there 9 months or so later...!
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I totally forgot I already reported this bug. :p
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Eduard
This is so important and so basic to any calendar app!!! 95% of the time you want to see your WORKING day hours, so it is natural to set your calendar grid to fit your working schedule. However, your life doesn't end at 6pm. If you have appointments after work (or before), your calendar app needs to show them to you, or it is not fit for purpose (sorry!).
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Zac
Eduard ... Totally agree. I have to pull up Apple Calendar to access anything that is "after hours." Crazy!!
Danny Hatcher
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Danny Hatcher
please
fix this... just missed another meeting that fell outside my default "grid view." Very frustrating.